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January 11, 2007
The Most Important Artists In Rock and Pop History: A Quantitative Assessment
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What a blustery way for Borrowed Tunes to return: with a declaration of the most important artists in rock and pop history!
All joking aside, there has long been an obsession for Borrowed Tunes and those close to the community: we've been consumed with the question of how to precisely quantify and estimate the ways in which the music we love has come to be. We're obsessive listmakers, and we've outdone ourselves this time.
A close associate of Borrowed Tunes conceived of and stewarded this project. As a real-life social scientist and fellow obsessive music fan, he constructed the rating system and religiously defended its integrity as the two of us debated the finer points. We think we have a result that is solidly constructed and yet offers plenty of room for challenge and debate.
But, hopefully, the project does not end here: we want those of you who are up to the task to add your own ratings to the final tally. There is only one rule: we reserve the right to challenge your ratings in the spirit of scientific peer review. We will not question your aesthetics; we will simply seek to confirm that your choices have been made from a sound basis. Once your choices are admitted, you will become a part of the review group.
Our ultimate goal is to come up with a kind of eternal Pazz and Jop - an expert consensus on the shape that rock and pop have given to themselves.
So, please e-mail us for a ratings form, or for any general questions. And we encourage all of you to debate the list in the comments below.
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Posted by borrowed_tunes at January 11, 2007 10:16 PM
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at long last. it will take a while to digest, but this was well worth the wait. it was almost one year ago where we discussed this with rater (x) at mcsorley's over many lagers.
my favorite line from the discussion section:
"Just as the most important people in history are not Neanderthals, the most important music is not typically the music that came first, however influential or generative it was."
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Posted by: johnny O at January 16, 2007 12:08 PM
While I like the idea, most people who love music will have a lot of arguments with who is where on the list. The Beastie Boys for instance, to me anyway, do not belong on any list of artists, and the Velvet Underground in the top ten ?
Posted by: Larry Toothbrush at January 19, 2007 06:38 AM
The Velvet Underground are definitely in the top ten... if you think this whole 'outside of the mainstream' music is valid.
Posted by: James B at January 23, 2007 11:29 AM
Interesting list and top half is very good but as you get further down it seems to get erratic e.g. DJ Shadow more important than John Lennon and Bjork should be nowhere on anyone's list! (IMHO)
Posted by: Jon at January 24, 2007 06:02 AM
Thanks to those of you who have looked at this list. I wanted to respond to a couple thoughts. At least Jon added IMHO, but comments about The Beastie Boys and Bjork not belonging on this list at all (or any other) are not carefully considering the recent history of music and its contemporary state. None of the comments arguing about an artist's position discuss the dimension on which they have scored, which is really where the argument needs to be made. Jon's point about the list getting more erratic in the second half is, literally, correct. That's the portion where you would see the most change if people submit their own ratings spreadsheets. And we encourage you to do that. Finally, John Lennon. I suspect that if he wasn't in the top 100 at all, nobody would notice. The fact that he bookends the bottom draws attention to him. Keep in mind that he bookends the top as a part of The Beatles, whose work was considered completely separately. John Lennon in total, then, did amazingly well in this list. He's one of only a handful of people that show up twice through multiple groups or a group plus a solo career (John Lydon; Richard Thompson; Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris; Dr. Dre; Gram Parsons; Brian Eno; are there more that I'm forgetting?).
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